Tuesday, August 11, 2009

The Reverse of Discrimination is "Not Discrimination"

I recently went on a road trip with my uncle, traveling from Boston to New York for my brother’s high school graduation. As we drove through western Massachusetts, our conversation eventually drifted to employment and the economy. In what would prove to be a fascinating discussion, my uncle began to recount his first job interview after college. He graduated from Northeastern University in the ‘70s—right around the time President Nixon institutionalized affirmative action and quotas served as the nation’s predominant employment policy. He had worked in Northeastern’s admissions office for a few years, so when a full-time position opened up at the University of Michigan’s admissions office, he made the 14 hour drive halfway across the country to interview for the job.

A funny thing happened during his interview, however. According to my uncle, his interviewer immediately apologized as he entered the room. ‘Look, I hate to say this,’ the interviewer said. ‘But there’s no way we’re going to be able to hire you. If you were a woman or black, I’d hire you on the spot. You are totally qualified, but we’ve got to fill our quotas.’ Naturally, my uncle was none too pleased, commenting plainly (but forcefully) that acts of “reverse discrimination” are unfair. I did my best to defend affirmative action policies, discussing their historical necessity, noting their negligible affect on white male employment, and even waxing philosophical about the entitlement associated with staking claim and ownership over falsely constructed “spots” in colleges or the workforce. It was all to no avail, though. Cliché as the phrase is, my uncle was “passed up” for the job, and there wasn’t much I could say.

We’d be naïve to trivialize my uncle’s experience or write it off as just another “reverse discrimination” fairytale. It happened. It’s a reality. The problem was not that this was an exaggeration; instead, it was that my uncle forgot about his lifetime of advantage as he harped on that one, single experience.

See, claiming reverse discrimination is a lot like recounting your golf score. It’s always the one or two bad rounds that leave the deepest, most painful impressions. You always remember the bogey on the 9th hole, but never the birdie on the 10th. Somehow, the abundance of good holes are taken for granted, while the one or two missteps are amplified and taken as indicative of the entire round. Sure, my uncle remembers getting passed up for the job with the University of Michigan—an event that (probably) happened the way he said it did. But, in the process of recounting this single experience, he forgot about a lifetime of job interviews in which he directly benefited from his whiteness or his gender. In all the jobs my uncle interviewed for, how many times were applicants immediately rejected for having “black” sounding names? How many women were turned away because employers didn’t think they could handle the stress of the job? How many times did my uncle’s employment prospects benefit from acts of statistical discrimination that weeded out potentially qualified minority applicants?

Still, many others that hide behind the “reverse discrimination” mantra often have few, if any, personal experiences to justify their outrage. But the golf analogy still fits. These folks are the ones that throw a fit over their buddy’s 10-stroke handicap. That’s not fair, they complain. But in their moral grandstanding, they forget all of their privileges that negate—and even surpass—their buddy’s handicap. These privileges may include the country club membership that afforded them hours of practice on the course, the childhood golf lessons their parents paid for, or the hand-me-down Callaways their father didn’t need anymore after he got his new set of clubs. Their buddy with the 10-stroke handicap was just allowed to join the country club recently, had parents that couldn’t afford to invest in clubs or other activities, and never inherited any valuable assets. In short, the two golfers didn’t begin the round on equal footing.

With some folks, claims of reverse discrimination are proxies for implicit assumptions of black or brown intellectual inferiority. The operative word here, however, is some. Other folks have had very real experiences with so-called “reverse discrimination”—it’s just that these isolated instances fill a disproportionate share of their memory. The real problem with the “reverse discrimination” debate (besides the logically incoherent label “reverse discrimination”—what is the reverse of discrimination anyway? Not discrimination?) is our inability to honestly discuss the issue. The question shouldn’t be whether or not this incident—or others like it—actually occurred. Instead, we need to ask ourselves, how often does this happen, and to what effect? Such acts rarely occur anymore, and the effect is almost always minor or marginal. And, of course, the folks that decry “reverse discrimination” have almost always benefited from other instances of privilege. They just tend to forget about them.

17 comments:

  1. First off, I find it interesting, if not ironic, that you use a golf analogy to discuss white privilege.

    That being said, having played a little bit of golf, I agree with the core of what you're saying, but I do have a few points.

    The reverse of discrimination is discrimination. Under affirmative action, the beneficiaries are of past privilege are being discriminated against. Instead of wholesale, taken-for-granted discrimination (white over minority; male over female), reverse discrimination is localized, individualized, and at times, very obvious (as in your uncle's case).

    But this statement does not take into account the moral aspects, which you are arguing. And I agree, when considering a history of privilege, affirmative action and so called "reverse discriminatory" programs don't even come close to levelling the scale. On a side note, it's amazing to me that people like Pat Buchanan rail against these programs, when IN THEIR LIFETIMES, they've seen the effect of open and accepted vicious racism. Somehow, they still seem to think that everything has changed in 40 years. It's amazing what having a black president can do to assauge white guilt.

    Anyway, back to my point, affirmative action is discriminatory in the strictest sense, but does that make it wrong (in theory)? Not at all. But I think an interesting question you allude to is how do we get people to understand and accept their privilege. How do people get past the "it's not my fault I have and they don't" phase of thinking? Especially if they feel like they are the ones being attacked? For some, it requires more than statistics and a historical framing. How do we reach out to them?

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  2. My thought on the latter point is that maybe the issue is of exposing invisible discrimination of which people like my uncle are direct beneficiaries. It just really isn't enough to say "Well, the minority applicants that are chosen are just as qualified," mainly because white men still hold onto the idea that they are entitled to, well, everything.

    So part of the issue is to honestly accept that "passing people up" is, indeed, an act of discrimination. But the necessary follow-up to that admission is to uncover all of the others ways in which privilege is structured within the system of stratification already. So yeah, you got passed up that one time, but how many other times was someone else passed up to your benefit?

    It's admittedly tricky, and this is of course a "thought in progress."

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  3. This post is as good a time as any to plug Ira Katznelson's "When Affirmative Action was White." Great book. It's like the New Deal version of Fischer et al.'s "Inequality by Design." Both works show that "What invisible advantages are rich and middle class people getting?" is a better question than "What visible advantages are poor people getting?"

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  4. Err, I've conflated race and class here. Sorry. Katznelson focuses on how New Deal policies affected racial economic inequality, while Fischer et al. focus on how policy affects class inequality - but they argue that the differential treatment of classes by policy translates into visible inequality between races. Just wanted to clear that up...

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  5. Hi Jeremy, this is Katie Bowers from high school - saw the post through facebook. I was just speaking with my mom today about the problems with the terms "reverse discrimination" and "reverse racism".

    Disentangling the words actually ends up being very tricky sometimes - I've noticed that people who use those terms don't naturally make the connection that discrimination against the rich/white/male is still discrimination. It's just something else entirely. I wonder if this is because while we are so well trained to think that discrimination = bad, a lot of people, maybe subconsciously even, don't think that excluding the rich/white/male is necessarily always bad. So, since discrimination = bad, its not discrimination. Or, maybe more likely, we're better trained to think that discrimination = something racial minorities/women/poor/disabled/etc deal with, therefore anything outside that frame can't be discrimination.

    Also, I also like the golf analogy - may use it in the future. Good to see thoughts like this coming out of Bing (okay, sure, Boston).

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  6. I dunno Jeremy, you are asking for your uncle to remember his privelage (which, as the lit says, is invisible) to put the discrimination against him in context? I mean, should I tell someone with a black sounding name who just got denied a job that at least they have running water and electricity, or that they have the privelage of not living in Goma? I am being facetious (did I even spell that right?), but I do not think its a good idea to tell some people to essentially 'keep perspective' while not asking others to do the same. And it sounds REALLY condescending (though props on the way you handled it with your uncle). But you probably know about these complaints/observations already, and I am sure you will give me a hot answer soon :).

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  7. So let me try to tackle some of these interesting points:

    A general point: My uncle is, and always has been, a pretty standard version of a poor white guy with very little resources at his disposal. Jewish sure, but "modest" background to say the least. What I wanted to capture in this post was straightforward: when poor whites complain about discrimination, leftys tend to dismiss them. The problem is that sometimes their fears are coming from a very real place--it's just that their harping on an isolated instance in a sea of otherwise relative advantage. It's part of my political mission here at SSL to put more perspective on (seemingly) racist poor white people. So this part about exposing invisible privilege didn't actually happen in the car; I just mentioned it in response to Steven as a potential solution. What actually happened was I simply told my uncle that blind adherence to quotas is not nearly as prevalent as it was in the 70s, and that contemporary racial "considerations" don't disqualify masses of white people.

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  8. As for the "keeping perspective" angle, I don't mean to suggest that we just tell folks "Look, your poor, but there are people way poorer than you, so be easy." Instead, I'm trying to note how people that claim "reverse discrimination" seem unaware of how our country has been structured to their benefit, at the expense (and, discrimination) of others. The profound spatial and social segregation of poor urban people of color, at the hands of local and national policy, thwarted their upward mobility and access to valuable economic skills--skills that become increasingly important as technological change occurs in the economy. Is this "discrimination?" I think so. Discrimination--or, the advantage/disadvantage based on an ascriptive characteristic--is entrenched in mundane changes in the economy or polity. Something as simple as increasing the amount of computers employees are required to use can have a profound impact on inequality that favors some, and not others.

    So, no, it's not that he's in a better position relative to others; it's that the system is rigged in his favor. This is why "reverse discrimination" is such a problematic phrase (besides the literal language)--because highlighting individual cases obscures an entire system of resource allocation.

    Is this condescending? Maybe. But isn't teaching anyone anything--by extension accepting that you know more than they do--a little condescending?

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  9. And to katie-

    Thanks for stopping through! You know, I don't think I would have been able to have any perspective on white folks from more modest backgrounds had it not been for Binghamton.

    I think the language is extremely tricky--both in how "discrimination" is addressed, and how we address people that want to dialogue on the topic. As you point out, there's often an inclination among social activist type folks (not to generalize too much!) to disregard discrimination against rich/white/males, arguing "it's not discrimination." I don't subscribe to that notion in the slightest, though I do think it's important to bring up the ways in which this country is structured to the benefit of rich/white/males. Acknowledging this doesn't discredit their (potentially) very real life experiences.

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  10. I don't doubt that there are White people who have experienced discrimination. What gets me is the sense of entitlement they feel, whether implied or stated directly, that they were somehow "deserving" of whatever they were denied. This sort of thinking makes it hard for me as a person of color to be empathetic.

    Take the University of Michigan case, for example. The plaintiff argued that there were students of color who were offered admission who had lower LSAT scores than she did, and thus, in her mind, were deemed to be less qualified. However, what about the White students who were admitted who also had lower LSAT scores than she did? What about the White students who were admitted that, according to her standards, were "better" because their LSAT scores were higher than hers, making her a less-qualified applicant than they?

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  11. DEFINITELY, misincognegro. I didn't really have space to get into the entitlement piece of the "reverse discrimination" discussion--I was only able to give it a line in the second paragraph.

    The rhetoric of believing in individual "spots" and "deserving" them wreaks of entitlement. It's like a petulant child that thinks they deserve everything because they're so used to being spoiled. How is Jen Gratz (the plaintiff of the famous UM case) able to judge her own "qualifications," anyway? It's as if meeting a certain bar automatically affords you a world of opportunity. Often, this sense of entitlement is embedded in claims of "reverse discrimination."

    But, as a slight caveat, I personally don't believe that *every* claim of "reverse discrimination" stems directly from feelings of privilege or entitlement. In individual cases, I can see it getting complicated.

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  13. Thanks for this post! I enjoyed it very much, especially since I've been having hard talks with relatives recently.

    Are you going to send this post to your uncle?

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  14. Let's not forget that discrimination also entails a power element. Your uncle, being a white male, may not have been discriminated, but rather just no longer advanatged. It of course gets a little tricky given his class status.

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  15. But, in the process of recounting this single experience, he forgot about a lifetime of job interviews in which he directly benefited from his whiteness or his gender. In all the jobs my uncle interviewed for, how many times were applicants immediately rejected for having “black” sounding names? How many women were turned away because employers didn’t think they could handle the stress of the job? How many times did my uncle’s employment prospects benefit from acts of statistical discrimination that weeded out potentially qualified minority applicants?

    I think it's not so much that your uncle forgets about that privilege, as that it is invisible from his perspective. No job applicant gets to see what happened at anyone else's job interview, or who got rejected and who didn't. From his perspective, there is just no way of knowing that in actual fact previously he had got the jobs he got only because he happened to have paler skin than other equally-qualified applicants.

    And that's how entitlement happens.

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  16. My mom is from Boston and graduated from NU in the 1970s. Did you uncle grow up in Boston? And if so, where?

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  17. And what about the white man who grew up in a disadvantaged environment being turned down for a job in place of a minority person who grew up in a privileged environment? Believe it or not this is also a reality.

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